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Sam Harris speaks with Anne Applebaum about corruption, authoritarianism, and America's retreat from the world. They discuss her Atlantic cover story, the revolutionary project behind Trump's second term, US support for Europe's far right, the AfD, European rearmament, the state of the war in Ukraine, Russian propaganda, Witkoff and Kushner's deal-making in Moscow, Venezuela as a union of kleptocracies, JD Vance's nativism, the midterms, the challenge of depoliticizing institutions, and other topics.
Anne Applebaum is a historian, journalist, and staff writer at The Atlantic. She is also a Senior Fellow at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and the SNF Agora Institute. She was a columnist for The Washington Post for more than fifteen years. She is the author of five critically acclaimed books: Twilight of Democracy, Red Famine, Iron Curtain, Between East and West, and Gulag, for which she won the Pulitzer Prize. She divides her time between Poland, where her husband is foreign minister, and Washington, D.C. Her latest book is Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World. You can also subscribe to her Substack, Open Letters, from Anne Applebaum.
Website: anneapplebaum.com
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Preview
00:22 Corruption Abroad
06:07 Europe’s Far Right
11:01 Europe Rearms
15:01 NATO’s Uncertain Future
16:05 War in Ukraine
18:53 Venezuela Preview
